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block rec, nazi enabler 

Got a new instance (norrebro.space) wanting to, theoretically, platform and "in good faith" discuss with actual nazis.

Attached picture [CC] is of the admin of said instance.

They claim to be the first Danish instance, which would be very sad if this trash is gonna have this title. Not sure if that's true tho.

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like it's such a dog whistle guy could have a whole kennel!

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re: block rec, nazi enabler: CONTEXT 

after discussion with tootuals++, I see now it's a better idea to link the original thread

so decide for yourself if you still wanna block after reading more of the context

my stance hasn't changed, but yours might))

dobbs.town/@Nikolai_Kingsley/1

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I see the post aren't available anymore on this instance, but it's still up here.

kolektiva.social/@Defectivetrx

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@namtari I wish I could be naive enough to think that "real nazis" who advocate genocide don't actually exist. It must be wonderful to live a life where you can pretend no one that vile actually exists and that no one would ever actually think such things

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@namtari this is kind of tangential but I do not understand how or why right wingers decided that free speech means "everyone has to listen to me and my ideas. I am entitled to a platform."

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@laughwhilecrying yess entitlement is def so strong

block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari This seems concerning. Can you share the link to the post you shared here so I can review the context please. Thanks.

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@namtari I seem to be unable to find this anywhere in the accounts toots, despite being listed as public. Was it deleted maybe? Can you share the original thread?

@freemo @namtari Ah. It means that the statement showcases a high level of mental acuity despite being a politically incorrect statement

@realcaseyrollins

Ahh, without context on the OP I cant follow.. he is refering to replacing "nazi" with "negro" in some sort of message but I cant see the message he is referring to in order to evaluate it.

@namtari

@freemo @namtari Yeah…he’s basically saying the Nazis’ excoriation from society is similar to the shunning of blacks in the olden days

I don’t believe they’re equivalent (being black is fine and nazism is reprehensible at best) but I do agree on the principle of discrimination that there are some similarities and Nazis should be allowed to speak their mind

Depends on what we mean by "nazi" and "discrimination" here. If we are talking about a quite literal nazi-like person who wants to see the mass murder of someone based purely on race and seeing that race as fundementally inferior. Also if by discrimination we mean I dont need to like being around the guy and find his ideas a waste of my time and as such I dont invite him into my pesonal spaces, and dont read his messages to me or give a moment of my time to his argument after the initial interaction that let me determine his views were garbage.... well then by those two definitions I really have no problem discriminating against Nazis.

With all that said, do I think they should be protected from arrest by the government, assuming it is only an opinion and they never act on it nor try to incite others to act on it. Also should they be free to express that opinion in a **public** space, then yes, I think they should.

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block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari saying "nazis have a reasonable arguments" is such a red flag

@namtari This is like the fourth or fifth danish instance, though 🤔

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@namtari

PSA: Given that the user later explained his position pretty reasonably and basically admitted that this was a bad analogy, I feel tha this is taken quite out of context.

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@casualwp his claim that "I have the impression that "real Nazis" (pro-genocide, pro-lebensraum) basically don't exist, and are essentially strawman created by people in the far left (people like you and me)." along with his pointless use of the n-word and lackluster apology, I'm not sure I agree that it's taken out of context

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@namtari

In the succeeding sentence he immediately added, "But that impression is mostly anecdotal, and I conceed that I might just be in a pretty lucky filter bubble." IMO, most people can agree that the "nazi" label is somewhat overused, only not on the extent to which this is so.

His apology, with "I've since realized how harmful that analogy can be," is as good as it gets in my books given the informal context. Realistically no one is gonna give a all-out-I'm-terribly-horribly-sorry for something probably less than ten people read anyway.

Anyway, my point is that I suggest anyone consider banning him go to his page and check out the whole story. To me it's pretty apparent that his main point is merely that people should be able to "discuss the merit or harm of ideas in an open manner," and the screenshot is just a bad analogy that he have since taken back.

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@casualwp the analogy is one thing, as far as I see from his later replies, his opinion is still that we should discuss with nazis rather than deplatform (as long as it's with "good faith actors", not that one has any possible way to know who's worthy of that definition)

I'm just puzzled that you can have this bad of a take and then walk this far back on your words afterwards in a matter of a few hours

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@casualwp I will add the recommendation to check the context as a direct reply to the original block rec post I made so people are sure to make an informed decision

thank you for discussing this btw, I really appreciate it

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@namtari

Personally I still hold the classic liberal stance that bad ideas should be brought up and ridiculed.

About him walking down on his words, I mean, stuff happen, and I myself have occasionally posted badly-worded/not well-thought-out stuff that caused trouble. Which is why I now try to give people the benefit of the doubt as possible.

block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari this person has alts as well. Lists a tech alt on hackers town.

block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari "it's my human right to voice my opinion on taking away human rights"

block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari the big problem with having a good faith discussion with nazis is that if you do, you end up becoming a nazi yourself.

the ideology spreads very fast if you give it a little room.

re: block rec, nazi enabler: CONTEXT 

@namtari personally i thought the context made it so, so much worse!

block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari That's not a dogwhistle, that's a doghorn.

block rec, shouting about nazi enabler 

@namtari WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ARGUMENT

block rec, nazi enabler 

@namtari This sucks, Nørrebro is my neighborhood, and one of the most diverse ones in the nation - how blind can you be to name your instance norrebro.space while thinking nazis don't exist?

For what it's worth, at least manowar.social and glitch.taks.garden predate it.

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