when I say "liberal" here I mean any socdem who thinks our system is literally a gift from god; it's not, it's sometimes barely functioning and the covid queues has shown that to be all too true
@namtari might just add it (social democracy) has a really well documented history of securing wealth and equality in the world, maybe the best.
There might hypothetically be better policies than the nordic model
But there isn't that much evidence in the world and history that socialism can do the same.
This might be the most fundamental and essential argument if discussing social economic policies
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